As i said in earlier post, build engine try to do the 'replace' action instead of 'deliver', is this a bug?

Regards,
Makson

This is actually accurate, it needs to perform a component replace and not a deliver of change sets / components. This is also similar to what happens in the pre-build "Jazz Source Control" participant. Semantically, this stage 'accepts' from the build repository workspaces' flow targets, however it actually performs a replace. (doing so avoids issues with deletions/discards/synchronization issue/etc.) For example, the build workspace could not blindly accept change sets as it's possible they might result in a conflict with what's already in the build workspace, and obviously an automated build cannot 'correctly' merge conflicts. The main idea in both cases is that we need to put the source (pre-build accept) or target (post-build deliver) in the exact same state as the current state of the 'sources' (flow target / deliver stream) at the time of build.

For example, this allows the "Post-build Deliver" participant to have a stream mirror exactly what was built in the build workspace (by choosing "all components" in the "Post-build Deliver" page) What will happen is that the pre-build SCM stage will create a snapshot, and then the post-build stage will replace all components in that target stream with the contents of the created snapshot, ensuring the stream contains exactly what is in the snapshot created during the build (no more, no less)... this also ensures that the target stream is 'green' (assuming the "Trigger Policy" on the "Post-build Deliver" page was set to "Deliver if build has no errors or warnings").

On 2/1/2012 5:23 PM, cdlee wrote:

We want to promote snapshot (or deliver baseline) from build workspace
to target stream automatically, so we have the post-build deliver set
in the build definition, but got the following error while a build
was executed, at the moment, we found that there is just one baseline
in the build workspace needed to delivered, so why a 'save stream'
permission is needed?

2012-02-02 04:57:13 Invoking post-build
participant "com.ibm.team.build.autoDeliver"
2012-02-02 04:57:13 Delivering components...
com.ibm.team.repository.common.PermissionDeniedException: 'Save
Stream' failed. Permission denied.

Delivering changes to a stream, whether it is in the form of change sets
or a baseline (even an empty baseline), requires modifying, and
therefore saving, the stream.

I don't know whether it is the build account or the user requesting the
build who needs permission to save the stream. (Since the Jazz build
engine seems to be initiating the deliver, I assume it is the build
account.) Whichever account it is, that account needs to have
permission to save the stream to which the changes are being delivered.

--
David Olsen
IBM Rational
Beaverton, Oregon

The build account is executing the post-build participant, so it is the
build account which needs to have save-stream permission.

Cheers,
Geoff

On 2/1/2012 9:44 PM, David Olsen wrote:

On 2/1/2012 5:23 PM, cdlee wrote:
We want to promote snapshot (or deliver baseline) from build workspace
to target stream automatically, so we have the post-build deliver set
in the build definition, but got the following error while a build
was executed, at the moment, we found that there is just one baseline
in the build workspace needed to delivered, so why a 'save stream'
permission is needed?

2012-02-02 04:57:13 Invoking post-build
participant "com.ibm.team.build.autoDeliver"
2012-02-02 04:57:13 Delivering components...
com.ibm.team.repository.common.PermissionDeniedException: 'Save
Stream' failed. Permission denied.

Delivering changes to a stream, whether it is in the form of change sets
or a baseline (even an empty baseline), requires modifying, and
therefore saving, the stream.

I don't know whether it is the build account or the user requesting the
build who needs permission to save the stream. (Since the Jazz build
engine seems to be initiating the deliver, I assume it is the build
account.) Whichever account it is, that account needs to have permission
to save the stream to which the changes are being delivered.

On 2/1/2012 8:53 PM, cdlee wrote:

We don't grant any 'save stream' privileges to our users, but they can
still deliver change& baseline from workspace to stream.

(That's what I get for replying without doing my homework first.)

I don't know why the post-build deliver operation needs 'save stream'
permission rather than (or in addition to?) 'deliver' permission. I
don't know enough about that feature to answer. (I couldn't find any
real documentation about post-build deliver. I created defect 194215 to
fix the documentation.) I think someone from RTC Build will have to
answer this.

If your build account has a role that regular users don't have, you
could give 'save stream' permission to that role without giving too much
permission to all the normal people.

--
David Olsen
IBM Rational
Beaverton, Oregon

I personally would want to have the post-build deliver action be a
standard "merge" deliver, and not a "replace". Either there is nothing
to overwrite, in which case "merge" will succeed, or there is something
that will be overwritten, in which case I would think the usual intent
would be to fail the deliver, rather than overwrite. I've submitted
work item 194461 for this. Please feel free to add a comment to
indicate your interest/support.

Cheers,
Geoff

On 2/2/2012 2:08 PM, daviddl wrote:

cdleewrote:
As i said in earlier post, build engine try to do the 'replace'
action instead of 'deliver', is this a bug?

Regards,
Makson

This is actually accurate, it needs to perform a component replace and
not a deliver of change sets / components. This is also similar to
what happens in the pre-build "Jazz Source Control"
participant. Semantically, this stage 'accepts' from the build
repository workspaces' flow targets, however it actually performs a
replace. (doing so avoids issues with
deletions/discards/synchronization issue/etc.) For example, the build
workspace could not blindly accept change sets as it's possible they
might result in a conflict with what's already in the build
workspace, and obviously an automated build cannot 'correctly' merge
conflicts. The main idea in both cases is that we need to put the
source (pre-build accept) or target (post-build deliver) in the exact
same state as the current state of the 'sources' (flow target /
deliver stream) at the time of build.

For example, this allows the "Post-build Deliver"
participant to have a stream mirror exactly what was built in the
build workspace (by choosing "all components" in the
"Post-build Deliver" page) What will happen is that the
pre-build SCM stage will create a snapshot, and then the post-build
stage will replace all components in that target stream with the
contents of the created snapshot, ensuring the stream contains
exactly what is in the snapshot created during the build (no more, no
less)... this also ensures that the target stream is 'green' (assuming
the "Trigger Policy" on the "Post-build Deliver"
page was set to "Deliver if build has no errors or
warnings").

On 2/2/2012 5:38 PM, cdlee wrote:

Ok, let's think about this case, if someone deliver another change to
the stream during the build process, then what would happen if a
'Post-build Delivery' is triggered? The change would be discarded,
that is not what we expect for post-build 'delivery'.

I had the same thought. If the post-build deliver is really a replace,
then the target stream cannot be the same stream from which the build
workspace accepts changes. It needs to be a separate stream that
normally gets changes only from the build, not from developers.

--
David Olsen
IBM Rational
Beaverton, Oregon