What's going on with BuildForge? Nothing happened in the last couple of years?
Hi All
The last time I was seriously working on BF is year 2008. It was version 7.1. Today it's still 7.1. What's IBM's plan with the build automation tools? RTC/JBE is not mature; BF has no progress. Is BF perfect with no improvement required or to be replaced with something else therefore no progress is made? This forum is very quiet comparing to RTC which is getting popular everyday. Is BF a good tool to implement continuous delivery now? Is BF team watching the new developments such as deployment pipeline concept implemented in ThoughtWorks GO? The problem with BF I can remember was it's fairly complicated and need to write everything your own. Thanks Jirong
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BF is still a great tool for continuous integration. JBE is simpler than BF, and BF addresses the needs of users who need a more complex build solution. I don't know what plans there are for future releases of BF, but BF is definitely a mature product for users looking for a Rational build solution
~Spencer
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I would disagree. I've done some really cool stuff within hudson, and I'm not sure what the unnecessarily complex adaptors buys me that Hudson can't do (assuming no plugin recompile). Generally, in a CI tool integrating with clearcase, I generally would want it to:
1) easily integrate with CC (where's cleartool, do I create a view or use an existing one), 2) easily identify which VOBs to monitor for this project 3) which branch(es) to monitor for changes 4) how often to check for changes 5) how easy is it to schedule regular builds 6) How easy is it to specify the build label syntax 7) How easy is it to use the values (like build label, vobs I'm checking, etc.) inside the command portion 8) How easy is it to set the build view's config spec (maybe it just builds off the label, maybe it's a new label pushed on top of existing labels, maybe it's just a branch/LATEST config spec or some timestamp config spec. Everything else is generally handled by the command portion. If necessary, mklbtype in the appropriate VOBs check if VOBs are mounted attach labels lock labels gathering environment variables Then run the setview -exec for dynamic views for cd'ing, setting env var's, then building then monitor build results, then do something with it: - failure: email, page, etc., maybe add an attribute to a label indicating it's a bad label, record it in some text file, whatever, then exit. - success, email, text, etc., kick off unit tests, kick off deploy jobs and regression tests, etc. I just think BF got stuck in 2008 (4 years ago now), and if they are serious about this tool, they need to update it and make it easier to use, or else people will go towards the cheaper easier tools. Playing in XML is just laziness, kinda like writing java code in vi instead of eclipse, c# developers coding in notepad instead of VisualStudio. Wading through the numerous XML tags, comments, etc. trying to find the exact tag to modify, trying to not delete the wrong thing (mismatched ", forgetting to close a tag, deleting a line I shouldn't, bad xml syntax, etc.) especialy in that tiny little textarea (yeah, I could probably find it and modify it with my favorite text editor, but still, isn't that what BF should do for you? Using something that helps you build an xml file is much nicer. I don't care if you want to keep that an option, but there should also be a real tool to help you generate the xml easily for stock situations, and I don't think what I'm describing above is an exception. From a Base CC perspective, What VOBs what branches how often to check to see if BF should do something (every 10 minutes?) do something anyway if time=x? sleep x minutes if 'do something' is true (to give time for checkins to complete) what view (create it too?) do do something in? what config spec (which could be altered in the command portion) |
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