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Opening/closing a Powerpoint 2007 file causes pending change


Tim Feeney (30745745) | asked Nov 13 '09, 3:04 p.m.
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Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view. This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Rob Logie (33825041) | answered Nov 15 '09, 5:21 p.m.
Is the timestamp or size of the ppt file changing after you have closed the file?.

Is the file you are working on a ppt 2003 or 2007 format file ?


Rob

Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view. This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Tim Feeney (30745745) | answered Nov 15 '09, 10:41 p.m.
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No change to timestamp. This is a 2003 format file edited with 2007.


Is the timestamp or size of the ppt file changing after you have closed the file?.

Is the file you are working on a ppt 2003 or 2007 format file ?


Rob

Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view. This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Rob Logie (33825041) | answered Nov 15 '09, 11:29 p.m.
I wonder if Office 07 is doing something like converting the file to the 07 format when it opens it and is saving it back in 03 format when you close it ?

Next thing I would try is to do a checksum on the file before and after you have worked on it. Use something like the Unix "sum" command to see if the check sum has changed. I would guess that since the timestamp has not changed, RTC may be seeing a change in the checksum.
(See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290 for a windows checksum tool)

On the topic of timestamps...remember that the file has at least 3 timestamps (That I am aware of). They are Created, Modified and Accessed . Did you check all three for change ?

I would expect to see the Created and Modified unchanged but the accessed updated. It is possible that RTC could be doing something silly like using the accessed time stamps ?.

Rob

Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view. This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Ralph Schoon (63.2k33646) | answered Nov 16 '09, 10:47 a.m.
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Hi Tim,

I noticed this primarily when opening PPT or other office files using the embedded editor within Eclipse. The Eclipse Tab showed the change indicator asterisk too.
I configured to always use the external system editor to open it and it got better. When configuring this in Eclipse you can also choose the mode for PPT e.g. macros enabled.....

However I did not open with a differing version/format combination which I would suspect to potentially do changes while importing.

I can send you a PPT about the details.

Ralph

No change to timestamp. This is a 2003 format file edited with 2007.


Is the timestamp or size of the ppt file changing after you have closed the file?.

Is the file you are working on a ppt 2003 or 2007 format file ?


Rob

Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view. This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Peter Haumer (2.2k12019) | answered Dec 04 '09, 1:08 p.m.
JAZZ DEVELOPER
Hello everyone.
I think it would be good if you could configure RTC to select which specific
file comparision method it should use for a specific file extension similar
to what you can do in Beyond Compare.

When you manage a lot of ppts and need to review your team's contributons
then every time you close the preso you need to do an un-do and redownload
megabytes of file content. It seems to be only happening to me if team
member work with different versions of ppt. The ppts that only I maintain
with 2007 do not have this issue although they are all saved in the 2003
file format. Only if someone modified the file with a 2003 or older version,
then just opening them with 2007 or 2003 will already modify them.

There are two workaround that work for me: I installed the free PPT Viewer
and configured it as an editor in Eclipse. Downside is that it seems to only
feature the full screen presentation mode and you cannot review speaker
notes. It also works when you configure Eclipse to open the file with
Symphony, which means adding a third editor to the mix :-) .

Best regards,
Peter.


"roblogie" <roblogie> wrote in message
news:hdqkv1$b0g$1@localhost.localdomain...
I wonder if Office 07 is doing something like converting the file to
the 07 format when it opens it and is saving it back in 03 format
when you close it ?

Next thing I would try is to do a checksum on the file before and
after you have worked on it. Use something like the Unix
"sum" command to see if the check sum has changed. I would
guess that since the timestamp has not changed, RTC may be seeing a
change in the checksum.
(See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290 for a windows checksum
tool)

On the topic of timestamps...remember that the file has at least 3
timestamps (That I am aware of). They are Created, Modified and
Accessed . Did you check all three for change ?

I would expect to see the Created and Modified unchanged but the
accessed updated. It is possible that RTC could be doing something
silly like using the accessed time stamps ?.

Rob

tfeeneywrote:
Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes
a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and
the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse
detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view.
This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.

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Geoffrey Clemm (30.1k33035) | answered Dec 04 '09, 1:08 p.m.
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR / FORUM MODERATOR / JAZZ DEVELOPER
Configuring RTC to select which specific file comparison method it
should use for a specific file extension has been requested in work item
96472. This work item is not currently in plan, so feel free to add
your support for this functionality by adding a comment to that work item.

Cheers,
Geoff

Peter Haumer wrote:
Hello everyone.
I think it would be good if you could configure RTC to select which specific
file comparision method it should use for a specific file extension similar
to what you can do in Beyond Compare.

When you manage a lot of ppts and need to review your team's contributons
then every time you close the preso you need to do an un-do and redownload
megabytes of file content. It seems to be only happening to me if team
member work with different versions of ppt. The ppts that only I maintain
with 2007 do not have this issue although they are all saved in the 2003
file format. Only if someone modified the file with a 2003 or older version,
then just opening them with 2007 or 2003 will already modify them.

There are two workaround that work for me: I installed the free PPT Viewer
and configured it as an editor in Eclipse. Downside is that it seems to only
feature the full screen presentation mode and you cannot review speaker
notes. It also works when you configure Eclipse to open the file with
Symphony, which means adding a third editor to the mix :-) .

Best regards,
Peter.


"roblogie" <roblogie> wrote in message
news:hdqkv1$b0g$1@localhost.localdomain...
I wonder if Office 07 is doing something like converting the file to
the 07 format when it opens it and is saving it back in 03 format
when you close it ?

Next thing I would try is to do a checksum on the file before and
after you have worked on it. Use something like the Unix
"sum" command to see if the check sum has changed. I would
guess that since the timestamp has not changed, RTC may be seeing a
change in the checksum.
(See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290 for a windows checksum
tool)

On the topic of timestamps...remember that the file has at least 3
timestamps (That I am aware of). They are Created, Modified and
Accessed . Did you check all three for change ?

I would expect to see the Created and Modified unchanged but the
accessed updated. It is possible that RTC could be doing something
silly like using the accessed time stamps ?.

Rob

tfeeneywrote:
Simply opening and closing a PowerPoint file using Office 2007 causes
a pending change to be detected. No changes are made to the file and
the timestamp for it doesn't change. For some reason, RTC/Eclipse
detects a change and the file is listed in the pending changes view.
This did not happen with Office 2003. Please advise.


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